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Warmachine and Hordes General / Muse Tokens and New Books?
« on: August 13, 2014, 09:13:32 AM »
I'm probably going to buy a Circle token set in the near future, but I'm wondering- how are you guys gonna handle new releases?

Order specific tokens?
Add book addon packs?

Basically, I just don't wanna order the token set and miss out on tokens for Bradigus/etc.

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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / Harbinger MSU?
« on: May 14, 2014, 08:18:34 AM »
So all the talk of Protectorate MSU has me intrigued. I used to play MSU Skaven, like a billion years ago. I was a big fan of the style of play, when that game was actually good.

I've been messing around with a few lists with different casters using the MSU idea. I feel like Harbinger probably does it best. And then there was solospam Harbinger.

Harbinger
- Devout
10 TFG+UA
6 Zealots+U/A
5 Bastions
Knights Exemplar
Aiyana and Holt
Nicia
Gravus
Vilmon
Knight Seneschal
Paladin
Paladin
Wracks
=50

I don't know if it's really MSU. It's more like solospam and some jam. =p

As for a pairing, I don't know. I'm about to playtest some shooty Sev1 with a Judge and see how that plays. Assume the matchups are regular Harbinger ones. Also no one plays Gaspy2 in my meta.

Any ideas for improvement? Kinda feel like regular Harbinger with an anti-infantry tilt may be better.

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There was a Who's The Boss tournament held in Perth, Australia yesterday. It was announced at the start of the previous episode of Muse on Minis. Event was ran by Goyder (David Goyder) and Polar (PG, Ryan King). It was a fundraiser to send our 5 man team to the ATC (Australian Team Championship) in a couple of weeks. Raise a whole lot more than expected ($1059). Sold out at 24.

I just wanted to thank both Muse on Minis and Privateer Press for donating stuff to our prize pool.  Always. Always appreciated.

Playing Protectorate, I got..

Round 1 was Barnabus. He was like playing Kreoss1. Knockdown feat and Iron Flesh over Defender's Ward. Opponent had Cygnar with Feora2.
Round 2 was Denny2. Opponent tried to doublecross me for Garryth, but I doublecrossed back.
Round 3 was Zaal, he did nothing for my list, so I respin. Mohsar. Opponent had Convergence with Bethayne.

I feel like Who's The Boss really highlights how much effort PP puts into balancing casters.

Here's a few pics from the day:

Top left is Paddles in white. A certain member of Crippled system, you may masturbate furiously now.



Our prizes included:
Ridiculous amounts of Iron Arena wall templates, widgets and dice. Multiple signed posters of the Iron Kingdoms world map, signed No Quarter #1, Butcher3, Galleon, two Battlefield in a Box terrain packs, a High Command expansion, Bodgermania, dice, Convergence tokens, $25 MoM store vouchers, token set, three random vouchers from Batal Games for the top 3 and a whole heap of other posters.









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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / My CoC. Let me show it to you.
« on: January 02, 2014, 08:23:42 AM »
Edit:

Back to the drawing board.

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Board, Card, Video, Sports and Roleplaying Games / Tweaking BSG
« on: December 13, 2013, 04:37:17 PM »
Hey guys,

My group is looking at busting our Battlestar Galactica again.

Is the latest expansion worth it? What characters does it add?

Version I run:

50% "Not a cylon" and a mix of Final 5 and objectives. This gives the Cylon player the ability to read his loyalty card without suspicion.
All characters, except Cylon Leaders. I find they fuck the game up.
Kobol mission
Pegasus ship board, no other additional boards.
CAG and CAG related cards. CAG is brutal if you're the Cylon. Why not get the civvie ships killed.
Standard crisis deck, including cards that don't mention Caprica.

I'm finding there's far too many of the politics card that forces people to put in cards face up.

I'm also thinking of stripping out the Treachery related stuff.

...

How do you set up your expansions?

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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / First World Protectorate Problems
« on: November 02, 2013, 02:28:23 AM »
So I don't play the Cygnar matchup much and they're springing up in my local meta at a retarded pace. We've gone from 0% to to 25-30% attendance in a couple months.  I just had a tournament, 8 rounds, beat 3 Cygnarans. Failed Stryker2 run. Top of 2 Stryker2 and Darius kills at range. So I didn't really learn too much about how I handle Cygnar.

I'll post my current lists (and probably tweaks) and ask a few questions. There aren't a lot of local Menites I can discuss things with, hence the dumbass posts here.

Harbinger
- Reckoner, Reckoner, Devout
10 Errants+U/A
4 Choir
Rhoven
Vessel
Vassal
Nicia
Rupert
Covenant
=50

Feora2
- Judicator, Reckoner, Reckoner
6 Zealots+U/A
10 TFG+U/A
4 Choir
Eiryss2
Vassal
Mechanik
=50

Harbinger sees matchups that aren't gun heavy. So virtually everything.
Feora takes the gunlines. Your Ret, Legion and Cygnar.

With Harbinger, I'm thinking of dropping Devout and Nicia for a Redeemer and a second Vassal. Don't know if it's worth it. I'm kinda wondering how WTC Harbinger lists are running a Redeemer over a second Reckoner and are still able to break armor.

With Feora, I'm wondering if I'm better taking like, Vanquisher/Vanquisher/Redeemer/Reckoner (similar to what Brian White does) over the Judge is worth it. Problem is, I'm not sure how it will affect my matchups. Or if it's even a good idea. More jacks? Win or lose?

...

And finally, I'm in the process of playing a bunch of casters for fun. Kinda looking for a third. I can't really identify any matchups where Harbinger/Feora2 are straight fucked. Cryx may be problematic. As would Legion. Maybe? I don't see how any skew list would be better against my existing matchups either.

Kreoss3, Sev1, High Reclaimer.. meh. Suggestions on a third?

Thanks guys!

 


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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / Kreoss3 vs. The World
« on: October 02, 2013, 09:16:36 AM »
Hey,

I'm thinking of dropping Feora2 in favor of Kreoss3 for a tournament at the end of the month. Probably a bad play. But yeah.

Normally, I have Harbinger covering everything but Cygnar and Retribution, so Feora2 steps up to the plate. This basically has Harbinger having to deal with infantry skew and arm skew (ie; 4+ elephants) which is problematic.

I'm gonna try to bump Skorne over to my second list to allow Harbinger the freedom to concentrate more on infantry skew.

So this list is going to be aimed at taking Cygnar, Retribution, Skorne and thus lots of ARM.

...

I'm posting here, because I can't write lists for shit.

Kreoss3
- Reckoner
- Reckoner
- Vanquisher
- Hierophant
10 Zealots+U/A
10 TFG+U/A
4 Choir
Gorman
Vassal
Wracks
=44/50

Leaving a total of 6pts free.

I also need to factor in specialists.

As for characters in my other list, Harbinger has Rhoven, Covenant, Rupert, Nicia.

Any ideas on how I can make this list not be an abortion?

Thanks!

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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / Specialists?
« on: August 02, 2013, 04:11:22 AM »
Let's say you're a Menoth player. You have multiple 50pt Steamroller events coming up. Two lists, both timed and Deathclock.

You're planning on running jack heavy eFeora and Harbinger with Errants.

What would you take for specialists?

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Warmachine and Hordes General / Beneath the Valley of the Ultra Vixens
« on: April 08, 2013, 03:33:35 AM »
Dear MoM cast.

I downloaded a copy of Beneath the Valley of the Ultra Vixens. I'm 16:27 in and this is the most absolutely fucking retarded thing I've ever seen.

So much ridiculously hairy bush.

And yet, I can't help but finish watching this atrocity.

... I hate you all.

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So I'm super new with Menoth. Give me some pointers?

First the lists:

Harbinger
- Reckoner, Vanquisher
10 Errants, U/A
10 Zealots, U/A
4 Choir
2 Vassals
Rhupert
Covenant
Gorman
Vessel
=50

Cryx, Khador and most Hordes factions matchups because Awe is retarded. Between Martyrdom and the Vessel, Excarnate is never getting off. Not sure if the list has too much anti-infantry. It probably needs more high POW attacks.

Kreoss3
- Reckoner, Reckoner, Redeemer, Heirophant
10 Errants, U/A
5 Vengers
4 Choir
2 Vassals
Eiryss2
Wracks
=50

Kinda hoping that he can get some random Force Hammer kills with Warpath, Heirophant's threat extension and Eiryss stripping focus. Generally more of an anti-ARM list.

What does Menoth do in the mirror, or against Ret?


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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / Kreoss3?
« on: March 12, 2013, 08:37:27 AM »
So I'm a noob Menoth player, trying to write a non-tier list for Kreoss3.

...

Kreoss3
- Reckoner
- Reckoner
10 Errants, U/A
10 Zealots, U/A
5 Vengers
4 Choir
2 Vassals
Exemplar Seneschal
Wracks
=50

I figure between the Errants, Zealots, Vengers and Kreoss doing stuff I have enough anti-infantry. Reckoners can punch the buns of other heavies, blow stuff up at range. Seneschal is just there to not allow my opponent to score in a zone for a turn.

Who do you think is the best partner for Kreoss3 in 2 list, 50pt, standard time events?

Think he's better in tier? It's expensive buying two units of Vengers.

Thanks!

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Warmachine and Hordes Tactical / I don't want to set the world on fire...
« on: February 24, 2013, 07:06:55 AM »
As I just sold my Cryx, I'm about to splurge on a new army. A friend has lent me his Menoth to try out and see if I enjoy playing them. There's a couple of tournaments in the next month- I'm planning on taking them to at least one of them. Menoth isn't that common in my meta anymore, it seems the world has jumped ship to Skorne. lol.

Before writing these lists, I've had a total of one game with Menoth- but a billion against.

The main tournament I'm looking at is 50pts, dual lists, specialists, deathclock.

eFeora
- Reckoner
- Reckoner
- Vanquisher
- Redeemer (bond)
10 Flameguard and u/a
10 Zealots and Jeebus
4 Choir
Vassal
Vassal
eEiryss
Wracks
=50

Harbinger
- Devout
- Reckoner
- Redeemer
Vessel
10 Errants and u/a
10 Zealots and u/a
4 Choir
Rhupert
Mechanic
Mechanic
Wracks
=50

No Gorman, Aiyana and Holt, Covenant or Rhoven. All of which probably need to be in my lists? I also have access to a Judicator.

...

The idea is, I'm going to take Feora against infantry lists. She can do just fine against pretty much everything. Then take Harbinger against.. well.. Hordes, I guess. Or any scenario where her feat can win for me. Having played against her, I know what a whore she is.

So... fix my lists? What do I need for reinforcements? Any matchups I need to be aware of?

Thanks guys.

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IKRPG -- Iron Kingdoms Role Playing Game / Every story needs tragedy..
« on: December 01, 2012, 12:21:29 AM »
Hey guys.

This is my Intellectual/Officer/Field Mechanik's story. I'm posting it here, cause I could use a little input. My group has just finished the first book of Witchfire.

...

Quote
Machines have always spoken to Malek. The son of a mechanik, he was taught his father’s trade in his workshop near King’s Vine. He learned to repair all manner of things, from farm equipment to labourjacks- even constructing housing for mechanika items. All the while, watching men and women marching off to protect his homeland from zealots and barbarians.

His parents were devout Morrowans, his mother’s belief bordering on the fanatical at times. In his home, forever was the looming specter of Morrow’s wrath whenever he misbehaved. The result, being a practical young man with no time for faith. Even the most delusional madman can’t deny the existence of the gods.. but frankly, he’d prefer they were looking elsewhere.

Malek dreamed of joining the ranks of the Cygnaran military. He wanted to serve his nation, protect his home and do his parents proud. And when he came of age, he did just that. Packed up his things and left to join up. His father was understandably annoyed, wanting nothing more than him to take over his workshop when he passed into Urcaen.

His potential as a mechanik was recognized and he was put into the role of field mechanik. He was ecstatic. He’d never dreamed he’d get to work on the giant, gleaming warjacks of Cygnar. Years passed. The boy became a man and was granted rank through exemplary service and grace under fire.  In that time he constructed his own labourjack from battlefield salvage. From scratch. And that’s what he named the jack. Scratch.

In his mid twenties, Malek fell for a slightly younger girl, a seamstress named Molly. Their tryst lasted years and endured the hardships of him being stationed far away. His superior officer, Captain Kurt Darkmoor, had an eye for her. Malek knew it. But he trusted Molly and so it wasn’t an issue.

Malek returned home, after six months in the field. He found Molly stripped, violated, her life snuffed out in the most cruel of ways. Shock and grief hit him in an instant. As he held her in his arms, her rigid fingers were grasping a fragment of torn Cygnaran military uniform. The embroidery reading, “Darkmoor.”

Malek’s world went red. Filled with blind rage. He sought out Captain Darkmoor and set upon him in a frenzy. When his mind cleared and he looked down upon the broken, bloody mess that was the Captain he panicked and fled.. left him for dead.

He was soon arrested, but in the light of the extreme circumstance he got off light. His punishment was being stripped of rank and being discharged from service. Malek was at a lose end. He spiraled down, through grief, depression, gambling and alcoholism. He’d lost everything. Malek became a drifter. Gambling to pay for room and whatever cheap rotgut the tavern he was staying at was serving.

On a night like any other, he was fairly drunk, gambling away what little money he had on a game of cards. For once, luck was running in his favor. He was up at least two or three hundred gold crowns, but the other players were beginning to get suspicions of his streak. Tensions flared, one of the other players accused him of cheating. The result was a brawl.

A glass went sailing through the air, colliding with the back of a brawny looking troll’s head. Raining glass. Interrupting him getting into the delicates of whatever young bar wench had taken his fancy that evening.

And that's how Malek met Nail (Fell Caller/Man at Arms). The rest of the story needs co-operation from Ross/Nail.

I'm thinking:
- Nail steps in and helps Malek.
- Nail/Malek become friends, helps pull Malek out of the gutter.
- The two of them start Crossroads Alliance (our Merc company) as a means to get more income from sell-swordery. More swords, bigger contracts, more money.

The next step, I've got to work out what the character wants. Darkmoor was left for dead, but could possibly return. He believes him dead and feels no guilt over it. It was righteous. Malek also will have a disrespect for authority and religion, but nothing he can't get over if the price is right.

An easy and obvious aspiration would be building the company. He would have enjoyed being part of something bigger than himself and leading. Probably power, also.

Anyone care to suggest some goals or alterations for the story?


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Warmachine and Hordes General / Circle Locks?
« on: November 08, 2012, 03:56:58 AM »
So guys, I've had my fun with the Kraken for a month or so and now I'm back on Team Circle. Where I plan to stay for as long as possible. No more faction hopping- my Cryx are already packed up in foam in my cupboard.

I also have a lot of time until the next major tournament, so I can playtest and tweak my lists as much as I like.

What I hope to gain from this post is a) a decision on a pair of locks and b) talk through some lists. I'm not looking for something to netdeck, but all input in appreciated.

Let's quickly talk about my local meta.
Menoth - 25% 
Khador - 25%
Cryx - 5-10% .
Cygnar - 5-10%
Legion - 15%
Circle - 1%
Everything else is represented but in low numbers.
We generally play 50pts, standard time. There's a push for Deathclock at the moment, which is awesome.

So heavy Menoth and Khador presence. There is pretty much one or two good players in each faction mentioned faction except Cygnar. The 1% in Circle is Rez.

I'm interested in playing..

Baldur 1+2, Cassius, Kromac, Kruger2.

I should also mention that I've played Kruger1 and Kaya2 to death, before I went on holiday to the Scharde Isles. So they're out for now. Kruger1 may make an appearance if I start having infantry problems.

I think I need someone capable of dealing with Khador. Infantry shredder with an ARM buff or STR debuff for Conquest, as the damn thing is everywhere. I imagine that this would also be my Cryx matchup. I have no idea who is good against Menoth, aside from Kruger2.

So I'm leaning towards Cassius as my #1. Paired with either Baldur or Kruger2. But.. I don't know.

Now, I understand that playing Circle is about playing through bad matchups. But what pair would you suggest to cover my matchups?

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Warmachine and Hordes General / Menoth and Starting Out
« on: October 29, 2012, 08:51:19 AM »
Let's say you were starting Menoth in the near(ish) future. You've been playing the game for a couple years. You know what's good in Menoth, but you've never really thought about it from that side of the fence.

You're going to be playing in a Menoth/Khador heavy meta (40-50%), with a sprinkling of everything else. You also expect to be playing in 50pt dual list tournaments.. and you want at least one list to have a decent ranged game.

Which two casters would be the best to focus on and why?

eFeora?
Harby?
pSev?
pKreoss?


Thanks!


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Warmachine and Hordes General / 3 List Cryx?
« on: October 06, 2012, 08:19:45 AM »
Ugh, how I miss playing Cryx. The latest podcast has reminded me again, how much I love eGaspy.

I seriously have the biggest raging boner for him.

...

As I mentioned in my previous post (3 List Circle) that I have an interesting tournament coming up in a month and I really want to do well. Circle are hard to do well with, I find them very taxing to play over a 5 round event- and this tournament is 7. Plus, I'm fairly confident I can do well with Cryx on next to no practice, because honestly they're that easy to play.. regardless of the fact I've barely played them in like 9 months.

Sooo... I'm sorta inspired by ep24. This is exactly why you guys didn't want to talk about Cryx. ;D

What I hope to gain from this thread, is a) decision on 3 casters and b) iron out some lists and reinforcements to take.

I'll quickly gloss over the tournament format and expected meta first.

16 players, invite-only.
50pts, 3 lists, Divide and Conquer.
7 rounds, 1-5 is standard timed, 6-7 is deathclock.
Round 7 you can replay someone.

Expected meta is something like:

18% Khador, Menoth, Cryx, Skorne
12% Cygnar and Legion
Maybe 1% Farrow

...

Caster choice:

I have both incarnations of Gaspy, Denny, Skarre, plus Coven and Scaverous. The last two I have very little experience with but I have enough time to get some games in. If I still owned Terminus, he'd probably be in- but I sold him.

eGaspy is locked in. I have extensive experience with him.
pSkarre probably. I have limited experience with her.

I used to play a lot of eDenny as my solution to Khador back in the day. Nyss and MacNaile, Marked for Death, feat. Huge threat range and DEF debuffs usually means I wipe WGI off the table.

pGaspy is possible, he was my first caster ever and I wouldn't say no to coming back to him. Problem is, eGaspy's got BLT and pGaspy doesn't have a DEF debuff. So maybe not.

I haven't played eSkarre or pDenny in eons.

I wouldn't mind an excuse to play the Witch Coven I painted up ages ago and fielded once.. but I think they may want a lot of the same characters as eGaspy.

...

eGaspy
- Nightwretch
- Nightwretch
10 Knights
10 Thralls, U/A
10 Blood Witches, Hag
6 Biles
Withershadow
BLT
Siren
Pistol
=50

Feels a little awkward due to 3x10 infantry. Difficult to maintain spacing. Mweh.

...

So guys.

a) What 3 casters and why?
b) Suggested lists?

See, I normally wouldn't NEED to make this sort of post about Cryx but I sorta gave them up for 2012. I'm extremely out of the loop.






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Warmachine and Hordes General / 3 List Circle?
« on: October 02, 2012, 07:22:59 AM »
So I have this super weird tournament in a month's time. It's kinda like "state championships" for Warmachine/Hordes. I've earned an invite off the back of my success with Cryx.

But I haven't touched Cryx in 9-10 months, as I've spent 6 playing Legion (sold them) and then like 3 months playing Circle.

7 rounds
3x 50pt lists
Divide and Conquer
Rounds 1-5 are standard time
Rounds 6-7 are deathclock
Round 7 you can replay someone
Hardcore painting requirement

...

I have a few problems. The biggest one being that I've not played a game in 1-2 weeks due to burning out. But, I want to play in and place in this fucking tournament.

I've also been playing Circle only a few months, so I'm only proficient with a couple of locks. So I have a month to decide who to play, paint the list and grind enough games to not scrub out first round.

So I have literally agonized over this for weeks. Going back and forth like the indecisive fucking retard I am. I suspect it was a contributing factor to me burning out.

...

What I want from this thread, is to a) help me decide on a third lock and b) help me write a solid list with reinforcements.

At the moment, my lists look like this:

pKruger
- Feral
- Stalker
- Woldwarden
- Gorax
Blackclad
Wilder
Stones
Stones
- Keeper
Gobbers
2 Groves
Bloodweavers
3 Wolfriders
=50
Reinforcements: 5 Gators, Feralgeist.

eKaya
- Stalker
- Pureblood
- Ghetto
- Gorax
Stones
Stones
- Keeper
10 Trackers
Wilder
Blackclad
Blackclad
=50
Reinforcements: Stalker

Morvahna
- Stalker
- Feral
- Megalith
-Gorax
Blackclad
Grove
Stones
Stones
- Keeper
10 Trackers
- Nuala
Witchdoc
Gobbers
=50
Reinforcements: 5 Gators and Geist.

So the locks I can play are eKruger and eKaya. I've literally played 2 games with Morvahna. She is subject to change.

Kruger gave her Megalith.
Kaya gave her Nuala.

...

What would you run as a third list?

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Warmachine and Hordes General / Should Tossy join the Dirt Mystics?
« on: August 26, 2012, 07:51:15 AM »
So Tossy was talking to me on Vassal and he was all, "OMG. So tempted to start Circle." This conversation with him came up a while ago, too.

He's also thinking about playing Bart/Galleon. Boo.

So I post an Australian webstore with stock.
I talk about frying Winterguard with lightning.
Tell him all about how Cassius can double Hellmouth into advance deploy.
And how eKaya is good at dealing with Colossals.

Circle's my third army and the most fun I've had in the system.

He also wanted a challenge, after playing Khador for ages. And Circle is that.

So community.

Tell Tossy to play Circle. =D


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Warmachine and Hordes General / Hey Cygnarans..
« on: June 29, 2012, 09:47:51 PM »
Science has given us weapons that shoot electricity down the path of lasers.

http://www.geekologie.com/2012/06/armys-new-weapon-shoots-lightning-bolts.php

Your technology is here.

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Warmachine and Hordes General / Nanananananananana Circle noob!
« on: June 21, 2012, 01:59:59 AM »
Hey guys,

I'm trying to write a few 35pt lists for a tournament next month. I've been playing like, 1.5-2 years now, but haven't played a single game with Circle just yet. But a buttload against.

In essence, just ironing out my lists before I start playing so I can cram for this tourney and try to get as many games in as possible with the same lists. Of course, I'm expecting to lose a lot of games at the event due to my inexperience with the faction- but it'll be a great learning experience.

Anywho!

I'm thinking Kromac/eKruger, or Kromac/pKruger.

eKruger
- Gorax
- Megalith
- Stalker
Druids
- Overseer
Stones
- Keeper
Stones
Grove
=35

3 Wolfriders
Feralgeist
=7

Kromac
- Ghetorix
- Stalker
- Gorax
10 Trackers
Stones
- Keeper
Stones
Gobbers
=35

3 Wolfriders
Feralgeist
=7

pKruger
- Gorax
- Pureblood (or Feral, I guess)
- Stalker
Blackclad
Grove
5 Gators
Stones
- Keeper
Stones
=35

3 Wolfriders
Feralgeist
=7

So:
a) Kromac and which Kruger at 35?
b) Any list pointers and why?

Thanks!

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MoM Greatest Hits / Petition : Danny's Footwear
« on: June 01, 2012, 10:41:52 PM »
As a human being, I am offended by Danny's pink crocs. They are an insult to fabulousness and should be burned.



If enough people sign this peition, hopefully he'll burn them.

Death to crocs.

ps. Give me the Kraken.
 

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